My Ashford University Experience
84Today is my last day at Ashford University online. I have completed exactly one course with the school. I wanted to share my experience with others in the hopes of helping someone to not make the same mistake that I did in my choice of schools. My experience was a nightmare once class started and I would like to help others to avoid experiencing the same turmoil I did.
Please understand that my experience is by no means unique. I will provide links to some other complaints about Ashford University's practices at the bottom of this hub. Contrarily, Ashford University may be a good fit for other students. Not everyone is going to have the same standards, be looking for the same things, or even have the same experience. My goal is to help you to make a decision about this school based on information that I still have not been able to find on their website.
You will find several hubs here on Hubpages that recommend Ashford quite highly. Just do a search and you will be able to find them. In the meantime, bear in mind that this is my personal experience. I am not parroting information from their website (after all, that would be plagiarism and plagiarism is bad.
The Convenience of Online Learning
Online learning offers incredible convenience. I chose to get my degree online because I felt that, as a stay at home mom, it would help me to avoid putting my daughter in daycare, which is unaffordable at this time. My hope was that I could earn a four-year degree in a timely manner without having to sacrifice my stay at home mother status. My own mother pointed out that in many ways online education offered me even more benefits: I wouldn't have to drive out in the snow, and I wouldn't need to purchase that third car or drop my husband off at work and pick him up every day (which would be disruptive to our daughter's schedule).
I debated for quite some time before deciding to attempt college online. At first I felt that I wanted to have the whole college experience by attending a brick-and-mortar university. I wanted to be a part of everything and I felt that this would be impossible if I went to college online. I began examining local colleges. Then, before I knew what was happening, my husband was enrolled at Ashford University. Because Ashford is one of very few online colleges that offers a journalism degree, he had chosen this school for his education, and he had done it very quickly.
Following his lead (because that's the kind of woman I am), I signed up as well. If the school was good enough for him, then there was no question in my mind that it was also good enough for me. Assuming that he had worked out the finances and that Ashford fit into our budget, I was ready to go. I assumed that when the school said they were "affordable" they were telling me the truth.
The Cost of Ashford University
I was more than halfway through my course when I discovered that Ashford University was costing me nearly as much per credit hour as Miami University in Ohio on the ground. My husband, several friends and I were all told that Ashford University's costs were $372 per class. Instead, this is the cost per credit hour. Admittedly it is true that any one of us could have found the correct information by scouring the website for clues as to the monumental cost of a bachelor degree at Ashford University. However, we were so eager and under so much pressure from enrollment officers that we simply didn't.
I am willing to accept the blame for being lazy and not looking deeper at the costs of college before I enrolled. I am not happy that we appear to have been lied to and put under pressure to enroll, but it was entirely my fault that I didn't examine the costs before I applied for student aid and began my first class. I was also led to believe that books were included in the cost of the class: they are not.
Ashford University Boxed Me In
One thing that I was looking forward to at college was the opportunity to explore different subjects that interested me. I am a natural learner and frequently go on knowledge sprees. The current spree (at the time of writing) includes practicing speed tests for basic arithmetic. My own interests are diverse and I truly enjoy learning new things. I was eager to tackle some history classes, literature classes and maybe an anthropology or psychology class.
Instead, I came up against a brick wall of sixteen required general education classes. Before you go off half-cocked, dear reader, allow me to assure you that I understand why general education is required and I know that all universities have their requirements. I have not, however, encountered in the past a single college that pre-enrolls you in a pre-determined set of classes of the college's choosing. Nothing was elective: it was all decided for me before I even enrolled. All Ashford University students take this list of classes, from EXP 105 (or PSY 202 if you are transferring credits in) to SOC 101, with several more classes in between (including the standard English classes and the required Math. Theory that is).
This wall of classes made me feel trapped and uncomfortable. Several of the classes appeared to have a deliberate liberal agenda and seemed that they could serve no purpose other than indoctrination. Others were simply of no interest to me. Watching my husband take PSY 202 told me that I would be entering into at least two classes that were of no benefit or interest to me, and which taught little or nothing of relevance to my major or my life in general.
Most colleges give you choices. In fact, my transfer college has offered me so much choice that my mouth is watering in anticipation of taking some truly exciting classes. Some colleges offer so much choice that the process is downright confusing. What to take, when, and why? Ashford simply takes your personality out of the equation, and instead gives you the one they want you to have.
In fact, the books at Ashford have become a major bone of contention for me. While the book fee for my first class was credited back to me as a kind of a "bonus" for enrolling, the original fee was $75 for the digital course materials. The books are run through a program called Constellation, which is, admittedly, pretty amazing. The problem that I had was that the books are not. At 89 pages (in PDF), my book was little more than a booklet. Bearing in mind that five of these pages were taken up with massive images, plus the addition of other images throughout the text, and there isn't much content to the text. Furthermore, the book was written by Ashford University Faculty, poorly edited and often rambled, as though the writers were making an effort to make their paragraphs "long enough" for the current standards (whatever those may be).
In other words, the cost of the text was disproportionate to the quality contained therein. While there was some useful information that helped me as a home schooling mother, I did feel boxed in and uncomfortable with the overall lack of new knowledge being offered by the class.
And the Strangest Thing...
The strangest thing about my experience with Ashford University was the order of the classes. There are two required Introductory classes that must be taken first by anyone who does not have transfer credits into the University. These classes are EXP 105 (which I took) and PSY 202 (which my husband took). While EXP 105 doesn't require you to write in perfect APA style, there are some situations in which you need to understand the particular grammar preferred by the American Psychology Association in order to make the most of your assignments. PSY 202, on the other hand, grades you on your ability to write in perfect APA style.
Bear in mind that EXP 105 is the first class, as required. PSY 202 must be taken next. You have no choice. You must take these two classes. Once you have completed PSY 202, you will go on to take ENG 121, at which point you will learn how to write in APA style. After you complete ENG 122, you will go on to take INF 103 Computer Literacy, which will teach you how to use all of the programs you have been required to use from the first class.
If you aren't already proficient with Microsoft Office by the time you have finished your second class, I honestly am not sure that a computer literacy class is going to help you to understand how to use it. If you have already been tested on how to write in APA style and have had points removed from your papers if you don't reference things perfectly, you probably don't need to take English Comp I.
After that, the classes get much more general. However, these first five classes are entirely an anomaly and I am not sure how Ashford gets away with it without having a larger number of student complaints. Unless, of course, they don't get complaints because it is just so easy to make an A in their classes.
The Financial Aid Department
First of all, let me be clear that it is not your school's responsibility to take care of your financial aid for you. I understand this and am fully aware of my personal responsibility for my financial aid. The majority of the financial aid complaints about Ashford seem to have been resolved, but you will see some of them listed below in the links. I thought that it was only fair to try to make you as aware as possible of their past problems with the government and with the way they issue financial aid. The best advice I have is to not grant authorization for Ashford to hold your funds. I am having enough problems with them and I did not grant the authorization.
My experience wasn't as bad as some, but it has been disconcerting. Two weeks ago I sent a message to my financial aid adviser requesting information regarding the refund and return of Title IV policies. I never received an e-mail in response, and I sent him a total of three messages before my husband got a response from him saying that he no longer worked for Ashford University. The next day he disappeared from my list of advisers and was not replaced by anyone. I was never notified personally by the university or given someone else to contact.
However, two days ago he reappeared on my list. I don't know whether he was re-hired, but I find it unusual and uncomfortable that he was gone and suddenly returned to work. When I questioned an admissions supervisor, I was told that my financial aid adviser no longer worked for the university, so the information was confirmed.
Now I have received several disbursement letters from Ashford but do not have my money in order to make arrangements with my transfer school. I have no adviser to contact regarding the return of the Title IV funding so that it can be transferred into my transfer school, either. I am in limbo.
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Oh well that is wonderful. I am so happy to hear you found your niche. Good for you.
Great write up on a poorly made scam school - thank you! I am considering getting an online degree in journalism or theology (likely the latter so Ashford would probably not be on my list anyway) so I know to pass up those yokels!
Really? Amazon? I am going to sign up for the HP ads real soon, am curious to see what the results are. And I used to make money just from commenting around, but now it seems that ads favor new writing from me, which is great, but like you, I need to give myself a little push and start publishing material - I have a lot of ideas, just need more time ;-)
Glad to hear that Liberty is working out so well for you and the endorsement. They're on my list of colleges to consider. Thanks!
I am sorry for your bad experience. I know I had to do a lot of searching before I found a good online program that was a good fit for me (especially at the doctoral level and being used to in-person instruction).
Girl I had trouble with Ashford too!!!! I thought I w as the only one. They are trying to make me pay for a course and the fees are CRAZY!!!!!
I had a negative experience with Ashford, too. Thankfully, I found WGU and am nearing the end of my program. I'll be graduating at the end of this year, God willing, and will finally be a teacher. ;) I just published my review of WGU on here, if you're interested in reading it.
Sorry to hear of your experience but I am not surprised. Schools like Ashford are put together for the sole purpose of scamming federal student loan and grant monies from unsuspecting students eager to access college without the hassles of the on-the-ground school experience.
I have written extensively on the problems with for-profit educational institutions, and one of the most recent articles I have shared here on the hub pages is from Busines Week and discusses how these sham operations access accreditation by buying failing traditional colleges (often religious institutions, and smaller liberal arts colleges) and through a fluke of policy, they can operate as that university, with the accreditation, but then overload the place with servers and sell "quickie online" degress to unsuspecting students.
Be glad you got out before you spent a small fortune and then realized that employers know what these schools are too, and will very often not even interview candidates with these schools on their resumes.
I wish you the best as your continue your learning journey!!
Currently I am attending this horrible school. I wish I would have stumbled across this blog prior to enrolling. Thankfully I have one more week to go in my second class then I'm dropping it. I have attended both brick and mortar University as well as online from a brick and mortar and the difference is like night and day. When comparing to Ashford. The books at Ashford are school specific as is the APA format they are using. I kept getting dinged on my use of the APA format. Halfway through my 2nd class I found that they are using a modified format to the APA. Which does you no good when you leave their school. Lastly their "Discussions" as they call them, it's not a discussion its a Research paper that you discuss with the instructor. And if he/she don't like the answer you provided they ask you to look for more, unreal. I am fortunate I am using my GI Bill to pay for school plus being disabled I don't have to worry much about making ends meet. But if I had a full time job, family, responsibilities and one class from Ashford, I'd quit school! In my 1st class we started with 25 students, by week 5 only 8 were left.
Good luck
I attended Ashford, but they disqualified me when they found that I live in Arkansas. Apparently, they can't accept people from here, so they zero out my grades from the last six months.
Now, instead of sending the title iv funds back to the lenders, apparently they are coming to me. Anyway, I hope this was a misunderstanding, so I'm just waiting now. I signed up with Liberty though. I'm glad to hear you are loving it there.
It has been 2 years I have been attending and I really love it, I have been juggling my full time job and my education perfectly and I am set to graduate next June, I am sorry to hear about your issues with the school.
I am on my 5th class with Ashford and I love it. The first few classes seemed to be created to thin out the ones who are not cut out for higher education. I have attended brick and mortar colleges and I can tell you it is just as challenging. I am in a position right now where physically showing up in a class room is no option. I have had no trouble with the financial aid department, they are an accredited university, and credits will transfer. I hope to eventually be able to go back to a campus. I would highly recommend Ashford. It is not for everyone, but it works for me.
I'm so sorry to hear about your negative experience at Ashford. I'm a big advocate of the power and benefits of distance learning, but it is true that there is a huge difference in the quality of education provided by different online colleges. Unfortunately, whenever dealing with these "for-profit" schools, it's always buyer beware.
I am thinking about transferring to Liberty in the fall, if not sooner. Unlike you, I actually live somewhat close to Liberty so I have the extra advantage of hearing from the "brick and mortar" students and community. I picked Ashford because they were cheaper than University of Phoenix. I had a very hard time working, taking care of my family, and trying to fit in both online and in-person classes at my local community college. It seemed like a good idea to go for a 100% online degree when I decided to go to the next level. While the online part is not difficult (I was already used to it from my last school), the cost has skyrocketed! Granted, I was used to community college where you can get a certificate or degree for practically the cost of a single semester at Ashford. The only smart thing I did was go to community college for my freshman and sophomore classes. Choosing Ashford was a mistake! I like the 5 week format, though it can seem a bit rushed at times, but the amount they charge per class is outrageous! Every few months they tack on $12 per credit hour due to "rising costs". Meanwhile, I live close to several different colleges and universities and NONE of them raise the price every 4-6 months like that! They also told me in the beginning that they charged a $120 technology fee. It was supposed to be a one time charge for the cost of their version of the online format or something like that. The real charge was nearly $1300! When I asked them about it...crickets. It was like they knew they could lie to me on the phone and there was nothing I could do about the charge later. Then there is the cost of books. $75 for an e-book is fine I guess but only if that book is comparable to a real textbook. I have lots of my Associate's degree books that cost (used on amazon) $50 or less and they are much much longer! I knew the books would be more expensive and unfortunately $75 is about right in general for the cost of real books (used) in my area. I just didn't expect "pamphlets". I suppose 5 weeks does not make longer textbooks possible. Ugh! Everything you say is true. I did do research a bit before picking Ashford and somehow Liberty did not come up. Or maybe that is because I am so used to it being a place I can visit if I wanted to. My grandmother is in a nursing home and most of the people who work there either graduated from or are currently attending Liberty. If only I had known they had an online degree program when I transferred to Ashford! Since you live in Indiana, I'll tell you that the pictures of Liberty on their website do not compare to the real thing! It is a beautiful campus and Lynchburg is a wonderful community. They are very active in the community and the school has a great reputation. I don't live close enough to actually be able to physically enroll but I did consider moving to Lynchburg and possibly going there a few years ago when my grandmother was starting to get to the point where she needed some extra help. Again, I wish I had known about their online degrees!
Since I am in the beginning process of trying to transfer, what tips do you have for me? I am still taking a class at Ashford. I didn't want to cut my semester short and have them hound me for money so I do want to finish this semester (meaning I want to get 12 credts done before the end of May). I have heard that Ashford makes the financial aid part nearly impossible. Fortunately, I can afford to pay for at least one class on my own once I transfer to Liberty. After that, I'm not sure if I can afford another class completely without financial aid but I am trying to save up and I think I'll be able to swing it. I'm trying to keep in mind that transferring is more than figuring out what each credit will cost because there are books and fees and I know I will probably need to buy several copies of my Ashford Transcript. Do they hold onto those? I've googled Ashford to see what problems have come up for others and some have said that they never get their transcripts or that it takes months. I have sort of built that into my schedule. I figure that if they do cause problems, I'm okay with taking the summer off and dealing with them. Starting at Liberty in the fall is probably what will happen. Do Ashford classes transfer to Liberty as electives? I am worried about that because my Associate's degree classes did not transfer easily to Ashford. Some of them became electives even though both degrees were for health and human services. I had to take a couple classes again because they claimed there was a difference. I couldn't tell the difference and I even had some papers and discussion questions that were the same or worded very similarly to the ones I had already done for my community college classes. Ugh! Anyway, I am glad to be getting out of Ashford! I transferred to Ashford with a 4.0 and I will be transferring to Liberty with a 4.0. I'm proud of that but it sort of taints my 4.0 that I picked a bad school. Liberty has such a good reputation and I am already familiar with the school so I feel like it will be a much better fit for me.
I'm glad you are enjoying Liberty!
I had a similar experience. I have withdrawn from Ashford University as well. My advisor kept blowing me off after appointments were made for phone conference, never did they want to go over funding, they had me in English classes for almost a year, they altered my FASA w/o my consent, their portal was never accessible and always down, I asked tech support for help but the server was down as well..... the list goes on and on and on .. A staff member there stole my social number and created a pay pal account. I explained the issue to them and was told to hire a lawyer. I am now attending a real and truthfully accredited college. But Ashford continues to try pull funds from my loan and also refuses to withdraw me and or sign my forms that are needed at my new school. They also will now not return my calls as to the paperwork I need.















nightbear Level 1 Commenter 12 months ago
Very sorry, Becki, that your experience was so ridiculous and disappointing for you. Knowing you, I'm sure you made the best of it you could and your reasons for doing it were so reasonable. just really too bad.